interesting. I will give that a whirl. thanks. just looked at this. :) might help with the custom rig not working in humanik. I will report back my results this weekend.

so the basically the jaw control are tied together wqith the lip controls to create a natural "opening" like in real life , but I can independently effect the lip controls separately for further manipulation on top of "opening" my jaw.

so basically place them where the top and bottom lids meet when "closed" this acts as a neutral position that drives the other controls?

sent you a message directly with the link.

here is what I am getting when moving the eyelids. I imagine this is not supposed to happen. (dont worry about the painted weights haven't gotten to that yet) its the movement of the controls and joints themselves that seem wonky.

okay so I want to bake my eyelid close/open state using those? and the joints (as per the video, I would weight paint those values to get an even eyelid close via ngskintools)